Curse

Fay Vert · Mar 28, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

I think the price of ectos would rise with the removal of the loot nerf. With other forms of farming open, less people would farm ectos (one of the very few things you currently can farm) so the supply goes down. But I don't think the price would go up much, there are other factors when it comes to ectos that really dopn't affect anything else in the game. The change tot he favor system makes ectos a lot more available than when they cost 8K, demand will surely decline over time (just how many obsidian sets do you need?) though the chaos gloves create a new demand. So I would expect ecto prices to rise a bit to somewhere >5 and <8 but I don't see how that is a bad thing, nobody complained before about the cost of ectos, even in the early days when they were much higher. The main thing people want from ecto prices is stability because it is used as currency. ANet could even lock the price at 5K (I think they pretty much already do this) at the trader to assure that stability.

All other things I can't see changing in price if the nerf was removed, and many things (common materials, runes and mods) would decrease because of the increased supply. Don't forget, we had two years without the loot nerf and prices went down over that time, not up. There will be no rampant inflation with basic things costing millions as some hysterical people claim, thats just silly to suggest,t ehre is simply no economical pressure to make general prices rise, supply far outstrips demand.

kerpall · Mar 28, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

I get 1-2 golds a run while 55ing, yeah it sucks for me. As for the economy, less golds = higher prices, so that it is not a complete waste of time when you do get somthing rare.

However our economy is also suffering from overpowered pve forms(*cough* ursan ), crappy favour system, and almost every rare skinned weapon becoming common (ex-hoh-only swords such as legendary, and runic blades, dwarven axes, etc).

The only way to make real gold now is to buy and sell high-end items. Even that is risky buisness, and people that arent already in posession of 2-300k to get started are ripped off.

Essentially the poor stay poor, and people doing okay, or rich continue to make more money (not complaining lol, although it sucks for my poor guildy's).

my vote: Cake is delicious, loot scaling sucks, but its better for the entire good of whats left of our pitiful economy.

Phaern Majes · Mar 28, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

What about this definition? (from dictionary.com, one of the seven)

Black Market

A type of economic activity that takes place outside of government-sanctioned channels.

Look up the definition of the word sanctioned. You'll see that anything that isn't government-sanctioned is illegal. And if you would post the WHOLE definition and not just the part you felt like you would get:

"A type of economic activity that takes place outside of government-sanctioned channels. Black-market transactions typically occur as a way for participants to avoid government price controls or taxes, conducting transactions 'under the table'. The black market is also the means by which illegal substances or products - such as illicit drugs, firearms or stolen goods - are bought and sold."

Clearly illegal...

When in doubt follow these instructions:
1. Open mouth.
2. Insert foot.

Faer · Mar 28, 2008, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I am proud to report that more people think cake is ****ing delicious than think Loot Scaling is fine as it currently is. This is proof that I desire pie.

On another note, please remember to keep discussion civil and mature. The Riverside moderators are cruel and will not hesitate to ban each other if you folks get out of hand.

CHannum · Mar 28, 2008, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

And that extra 90k you said you could have made selling bunnies and eggs, that is a one weekend a year thing, so if you did that farming run normally, would you have been so happy with 20k?

I don't farm except for something like the one weekend only items, nor do I consider it a sound game mechanic in the general. Still, if I had made 20K from six hours in normal mode verus the 10-12K I would normally make, yeah, I'd be happy - that's why I posted what I did. The fact that I made about twice as much as I normally would in that same span of time plus nabbed a bunch of dye plus got a bunch of junk rares to finally hit r1 Wisdom plus the fact that all of those eggs and bunnies would have been something else on the loot table would have been enough reward on its own if I actually thought I needed game money more than entertainment. I think the rewards I got just in normal mode should be incentive enough for anybody wanting a bit of extra cash or bling to put in a hour or two a week if they care but not enough to be unfair for those who choose to play the game instead of mindlessly running raptors again and again and again... and again.

Keep in mind, if I were designing the game you wouldn't even get the unscaled golds and tomes, or even the bunnies and eggs I was going after (yes, a tad hypcritical, crucify me now

). Granted, I'd increase the drop frequency of some items to compensate for killing the entire point of solo/duo farming because current drop rates do take farming into account and that's already giving the farmers too much control over the rest of our game experiences.

Cale Roughstar · Mar 28, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Faer

I am proud to report that more people think cake is ****ing delicious than think Loot Scaling is fine as it currently is. This is proof that I desire pie.

On another note, please remember to keep discussion civil and mature. The Riverside moderators are cruel and will not hesitate to ban each other if you folks get out of hand.

and here I was thinking that the mods only banned the plebs

Default Name · Mar 28, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Just because everyone has one doesnt change it from being Vanity.

O RLY?

Let me use my supernatural abilities to look into an alternate universe you're describing... Oh my I see a lot of grief... This scene keeps appearing:

[QQ]
"Whaa my amor is not 1337 nemore bcuz is 2 chip boohoohhoo damn u anerf!!11one2?eleven!"
[/QQ]

manitoba1073 · Mar 28, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by Default Name

O RLY?

Let me use my supernatural abilities to look into an alternate universe you're describing... Oh my I see a lot of grief... This scene keeps appearing:

[QQ]
"Whaa my amor is not 1337 nemore bcuz is 2 chip boohoohhoo damn u anerf!!11one2?eleven!"
[/QQ]

Well I hate to tell you but your crystal ball is muddy. If more people have it it dont change the vanity of it only changes that more people still have it. 15k armor still looks the same even if every wammo has the same armor. Doesnt lower the cost doesnt make it normal armor.

Sypherious · Mar 28, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Well I hate to tell you but your crystal ball is muddy. If more people have it it dont change the vanity of it only changes that more people still have it. 15k armor still looks the same even if every wammo has the same armor. Doesnt lower the cost doesnt make it normal armor.

Agreed^^. I have FoW on 1 character, and when I see someone else that also has FoW, I don't really care. Grats for them. It's still vanity to me.

Default Name · Mar 28, 2008, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

-bad logic-

You have no clue as to why these stuff are considered e-peen bling don't you?

mr_groovy · Mar 28, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by CHannum

I don't farm except for something like the one weekend only items, nor do I consider it a sound game mechanic in the general.

Keep in mind, if I were designing the game you wouldn't even get the unscaled golds and tomes, or even the bunnies and eggs I was going after (yes, a tad hypcritical, crucify me now

). Granted, I'd increase the drop frequency of some items to compensate for killing the entire point of solo/duo farming because current drop rates do take farming into account and that's already giving the farmers too much control over the rest of our game experiences.

So now you are saying farmers are not players? /sigh

Do you honestly think that people who farm, do that 24/7 every time they login to GW? If such a person would exist it would be a BOT >.>.

People farm for cash & fun at leas that's what I do. And if I need cash I do it for about a hour, or till I get bored.

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Originally Posted by Default Name

You have no clue as to why these stuff are considered e-peen bling don't you?

Pls don't people how to play "their" game. If people want vanity armor, then they can buy it. It's in the game for a reason.
And if you are griefing because you can't afford it, /quit now.

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This thread isn't about farming, It's about LS and it's "posssible" removal or adjustment "if" 80 to 90% of all the goldsites / botters are removed from the game.
LS denies loot in 8/8 and 1/8. Yes IDS exists. I would like to see a change in this. Certainly with the current state of the market at hand.

manitoba1073 · Mar 28, 2008, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

So now you are saying farmers are not players? /sigh

Do you honestly think that people who farm, do that 24/7 every time they login to GW? If such a person would exist it would be a BOT >.>.

People farm for cash & fun at leas that's what I do. And if I need cash I do it for about a hour, or till I get bored.

Pls don't people how to play "their" game. If people want vanity armor, then they can buy it. It's in the game for a reason.
And if you are griefing because you can't afford it, /quit now.

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This thread isn't about farming, It's about LS and it's "posssible" removal or adjustment "if" 80 to 90% of all the goldsites / botters are removed from the game.
LS denies loot in 8/8 and 1/8. Yes IDS exists. I would like to see a change in this. Certainly with the current state of the market at hand.

I think she/he is mad because others have the armor too. Thinks that that no longer makes it vanity.

It denies loot in all party configurations except full party. That means 1/8,2/8,3/8,4/8,5/8,6/8,7/8 and so on.

mr_groovy · Mar 28, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

I think she/he is mad because others have the armor too. Thinks that that no longer makes it vanity.

It denies loot in all party configurations except full party. That means 1/8,2/8,3/8,4/8,5/8,6/8,7/8 and so on.

Yeah the original supposed LS. But IDS reduces your drops even in 8/8.
Go out with a full team, kill stuff then count if every foe you killed drops something. You will see that that's not the case >.>.

DivineEnvoy · Mar 28, 2008, 07:29 AM // 07:29

The most ironic aspect of these rants about loot scaling is that with all these time spent into these rants, these people could've spent their time farming for the gold they need.

manitoba1073 · Mar 28, 2008, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Yeah the original supposed LS. But IDS reduces your drops even in 8/8.
Go out with a full team, kill stuff then count if every foe you killed drops something. You will see that that's not the case >.>.

I hope your not talking full human team. As that shouldnt be the case according to anerf. As for myself Ive never seen a full human party kill a mob and not get the full amount of drops.

Siirius Black · Mar 28, 2008, 07:36 AM // 07:36

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

The most ironic aspect of these rants about loot scaling is that with all these time spent into these rants, these people could've spent their time farming for the gold they need.

LOL True enough,

But I still want loot scaling removed.

Default Name · Mar 28, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

-failed logic-

Failed logic has failed.

You don't need vanity to play GWs. Giving that as an excuse to remove LS is epic fail.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

-pathetic retort-

Failed attempt to address the point, that's why LS stays.

Kashrlyyk · Mar 28, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

What is IDS?

mr_groovy · Mar 28, 2008, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Default Name

Failed logic has failed.

You don't need vanity to play GWs. Giving that as an excuse to remove LS is epic fail.

Failed attempt to address the point, that's why LS stays.

Vanity items, are what keep people playing the game. Your failed attempt to acknowledge that is typical to a player that just started to play this game.

You sir lack in the Logic apartment.

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

What is IDS?

Instant Death Scaling. Kill lots of foes in small time, and get no drops. This happens in 1/8 and 8/8 teams. IMO.

Default Name · Mar 28, 2008, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

-more fail-

Are you saying LS made it impossible for you to get any 15k armor?

Now if that's the case, I think you should fail less rather than QQ about LS.

kthxbai